Ian gave an evocative and moving interview when he spoke with Tonya McKenzie, host of the Leaders & Learners podcast. Tonya, the founder of Sand & Shores, a public relations and leadership firm, is known for working with some of the “best businesspeople, organizations, brands, artists, and leaders in their field” to uncover the story behind the story.

If you haven’t already, you’ll want to check out Ian’s interview titled “Let’s Do It Riley’s Way”, where he shares the pain of losing Riley, his and Mackenzie’s determination to build a movement of kindness out of unimaginable tragedy, and why true “leadership is vulnerability.”